Epoxy
FAQ
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1. What
type of epoxy do you
sell?
2. Why
do you refer to the epoxy as a
system?
3. Which
hardener to you
recommend?
4. What
is pot life?
5. Do
you manufacture your own
epoxies?
6. How
can you sell your epoxy for so much less than your
competitors?
7. What
are the advantages of epoxy over polyester
resins?
8. What
system do you recommend to use with carbon
fiber?
9. Do
you sell high-temperature
epoxy?
10. How
do I protect my epoxy from
UV deterioration?
11. What
is blush?
12. Do
your epoxies
blush?
13. How
do I clean/remove the
blush?
14.
Are your pigments compatible with your epoxy
systems?
15. Do
I need to buy
pumps?
16. How
do the pumps work?
17. Can
I leave the pumps on the
bottles?
18. Do
I need a respirator when working with
epoxy?
19. What
safety measures should be taken when working with
epoxy?
20. Is
there a hazardous fee for
shipping?
21. How
do you package your epoxy
systems?
22. Do
you have local
distributors?
23. What
is the shelf life of your epoxy
systems?
24. What
if the epoxy
freezes?
25. How
do I make glue with your
epoxy?
26. Do
you sell any fillers I can use to make the
epoxy easier to
sand?
27. I'm
building a canoe/kayak and want to see the wood
through it, which epoxy do
I use?
28. Can
I put polyester gelcoat or polyester resin
over epoxy?
29. How
much epoxy do I need for saturating my
fiberglass?
30. What
is the coverage of your epoxy when sealing
plywood?
31. Do
you sell epoxy floor
paint?
32. Do
you have casting
epoxy?
33. What
can I use to clean my tools while the epoxy is
still wet?
34. Can
I put in more hardener to speed up the dry
time?
35. Can
I work with the epoxy in cold
weather?
36. I need
an epoxy to build a thermonuclear support valve.
What do I buy?
Troubleshooting
FAQ
1. My
epoxy is taking forever to dry. What went
wrong?
2. I mixed
up a quart of epoxy and before I could get it
out of the cup it started smoking and cured
immediately. What happened?
3. I
applied epoxy outside under a covered awning but it
rained last night and now the surface is cloudy and
sticky. What do
I do?
4. I made
a part and it is too flexible. Why?
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1. What type of
epoxy do you sell?
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This FAQ is
dedicated to our 635 Thin Epoxy System, our most
popular and versatile epoxy. The 635 Epoxy is used
extensively in composites due to its low
viscosity(like motor oil) which allows easy
saturation of all types of fiberglass, Kevlar and
carbon fiber cloths. It can also be mixed with our
selection of fillers
to make many types of putties and sanding fillers.
For full descriptions on our other epoxies please
follow these links. 150
Thick System,
Klear
Kote table top
epoxy,
The
West System Epoxy,
and our Epoxy
Adhesives.
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2. Why do you
refer to the epoxy as a system?
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All of our epoxies
are two part systems consisting of a resin side and
a hardener side. Unlike some of our competitors who
sell them separately, we sell them together as a
kit. More specifically the type of system is
defined by your selection of hardener.
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3. Which
hardener do you recommend?
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When choosing a
hardener many variables must be considered
including working temperature, desired cure time,
working time, pot life and your desired post
production properties.
We have three
hardener systems to choose from.
The (2:1)#556 slow hardener is meant for tropical
conditions(above 80 degrees). This hardener also
cures as the most flexible laminate.
The 3:1 Medium hardener is our best all-purpose
hardener. You can use it in temperatures down to
approximately 55 degrees and still get a 24 hour
dry time. This is our most user-friendly hardener
for most applications.
The 4:1 Fast hardener is also an excellent
hardener. You can use this hardener down to 45
degrees. Caution should be taken when working with
large batches.
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4. What is pot
life?
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Pot life refers to
the amount of time you have before the system
kicks(begins to gel) in the container(pot) being
used to mix the two parts. Depending on your method
of application this can be a critical factor in
reducing waste. Working time refers to how long you
have after the product is out of the
container.
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5. Do you
manufacture your own epoxies?
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No. All of our
private label products are produced by our
manufacturing partners and meet the highest
industry's standards for quality and performance.
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6. How can you
sell your epoxy for so much less than your
competitors?
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We are able to keep
our prices so low because we buy direct from the
manufacturer and sell directly to you. All of our
epoxy systems are of the highest quality and are
all proudly Made in the USA.
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7. What are the
advantages of epoxy over polyester resins?
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There are many
advantages including being non-flammable, not
exhibiting a strong odor and being up to 25%
stronger than their polyester counterparts. In
marine applications, epoxies are far superior in
resisting water absorption and are less likely to
blister. Epoxies are more flexible and adhere
better to all surfaces.
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8. What system
do you recommend to use with carbon fiber?
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If you are using
carbon fiber to make a structural(non-cosmetic)
part we recommend using our 635 Thin Resin with our
3:1 or 4:1 hardener which will provide the most
strength and stiffness. Our 2:1(556) hardener
should only be used with a core material that will
provide stiffness or if extended working time is
needed.
For a clear,
cosmetic carbon fiber part we recommend the
Silmar
249 Clear Polyester
Resin
instead of the epoxy. This polyester resin has
UV protection that will last longer out in the
sun than any epoxy. The Silmar 249 can be polished
and if necessary top coated with a clear coat
automotive urethane.
If you must make
your clear part with epoxy we definitely suggest
cleaning, sanding and top coating the epoxy with a
clear coat automotive urethane.
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9. Do you sell
high-temperature epoxy?
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No. Our marine and
commercial use epoxy systems can only withstand
temperatures from 150 to 195 degrees. Most
high-temperature epoxies on the market will require
autoclave or oven cure cycles.
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10. How do I
protect my epoxy from UV deterioration?
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As none of our
epoxies offer UV protection a top coat is required.
The best protection is to use a quality paint. If
your project calls for a clear finish we recommend
a marine varnish or a clear urethane. Careful
attention should be paid to watch for oxidation of
the epoxy. Fresh coats of the varnish/urethane
should be applied as a preventative measure to keep
UV protection effective. The epoxy must be
completely cured and free of blush, which we will
discuss next.
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11. What is
blush?
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Blush occurs when
the discharge of carbon dioxide reacts to moisture
in the air during curing. It presents itself as a
greasy film and is easily removed by washing the
part with warm water and a clean rag. More
specifically, blush is an amine carbonate residue
produced by the reaction just described. This
residue must be removed before top coating or if
fully cured, before re-coating with additional
epoxy. Blushing is more commonly seen in stiffer,
faster curing epoxy hardeners and more pronounced
in cool, high humidity conditions.
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12. Do your
epoxies blush?
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The 3:1 and 4:1
systems do. The 2:1 system is completely
non-blushing.
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13. How do I
clean/remove the
blush?
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If your epoxy has
blushed it must be cleaned before applying
additional epoxy or a top coat finish. Follow the
below steps.
1. Wash the surface of the epoxy with warm water.
Using a clean rag, scrub the surface until the
greasy/waxy feeling is removed.
2. Lightly sand the
epoxy with 220 grit(or similar) sandpaper. This
creates an etched surface that will allow for the
maximum mechanical bond possible between additional
layers of epoxy or between the epoxy and
primer/paint top coat.
3. Wipe down the surface with Acetone or Denatured
Alcohol. Again, use a clean rag to do this.
Cleaning with a solvent will remove surface
contaminants and slightly tack-up the surface for
better bonding.
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14. Are your
pigments compatible with your epoxy systems?
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Yes. Our
pigments
can be used with both epoxy and polyester resins.
We recommend not exceeding a one ounce pigment to
one quart resin ratio.
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15. Do
I need to buy pumps?
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No, they are not
required. Our pumps are ideal for measuring smaller
amounts. Generally, larger batches are easier to
measure and mix using graduated measuring cups. We
have a wide
assortment.
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16. How do the
pumps work?
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We sell identical
pumps for the resin and hardener which, when
properly primed, will dispense one ounce per
stroke. The pumps will fit securely on all of the
plastic bottles we send you. You will have to trim
the straw to fit the smaller bottles.
To prime each pump
push down approximately three times which should
expel the air. During this process it is advisable
to have something to catch the liquid that comes
out with air still in it. This can easily be
returned to the bottle by unscrewing the pump. This
should not result in losing the prime.
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17. Can I leave
the pumps on the bottles?
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Yes, the pump keeps
the container air tight. However, after the bottles
have sat unused for several weeks you may have to
follow the priming procedure again.
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18. Do I need a
respirator when working with epoxy?
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Should you be
working in a poorly ventilated area and the fumes
become noticeable we would recommend using one of
our high quality charcoal/chemical masks
you can
view here.
We also sell replacement cartridges and filters
which will considerably lengthen the lifetime of
your mask. Proper eye and skin
protection
should always be used.
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19.
What safety measures should be taken
when working with epoxy?
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Skin and
eye protection should always be worn when
working with epoxy. Epoxy can cause severe
skin irritation and also sensitization to
the skin and eyes. Never breath the dust
or mist. Contact us for more information
or the MSDS relating to the product
you are using.
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20. Is there a
hazardous fee for
shipping?
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No. All of our
epoxy systems are classified as nonhazardous and
can be shipped by UPS Ground or UPS Air. There is
no additional hazardous shipping fee for these
liquids.
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21. How do you
package your epoxy
systems?
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Our resins and
hardeners are packaged in plastic jugs up to one
gallon in size. Multiple gallon kits are still
shipped in gallon increments, four gallons per box.
We take great pride in our packing methods which
are painstakingly followed for every box we ship.
This means your shipment virtually always arrives
intact and damage free.
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22. Do you have
local distributors?
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No. All of our
products are shipped directly from our Florida
location.
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23. What is the
shelf life of your epoxy
systems?
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We recommend using
our epoxies within one year of purchase. Epoxies
should never be stored in direct sunlight and
should not be kept in freezing temperatures.
Storage in temperature above 90 degrees should also
be avoided.
You will find that
your epoxy can last much longer than a year if
they're kept in a dark storage container(cardboard
box) with temperatures between 60 and 80
degrees.
If you sometimes have to wait a couple months
in-between uses we recommend shaking up the
hardener bottle for about 45 seconds to re-agitate
any settling that may occur. This is not necessary
for the resin.
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24. What if the
epoxy freezes?
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Our testing has
shown that epoxy freezing for a short period of
time is not harmful to the product and will cure
with full physical properties. We strongly
recommend not storing the epoxy anywhere that could
result in freezing for more than a few
days.
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25. How do I
make glue with your
epoxy?
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We offer a complete
line of fillers that when added to the epoxy will
thicken the liquid to your desired consistency and
application without compromising the structural
properties of the epoxy.
For thickening, we
recommend our Aerosil/Cabosil.
To achieve a mayonnaise like consistency follow
these guidelines.
1 Gallon mixed
epoxy to 1 Gallon of Aerosil-Cabosil
To make a consistency like peanut butter
1 Gallon mixed epoxy to 2 Gallon of
Aerosil-Cabosil
Note: adding 1
gallon of Aerosil-Cabosil to 1 gallon of epoxy will
not yield 2 gallons of putty. The filler
will only add about 5% volume to the mixed
epoxy.
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26. Do you sell
any fillers I can use to make the epoxy easier to
sand?
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Both our
phenolic
microballoons
and our 3M
Glass Bubbles
are excellent choices for this purpose.
Slightly less easy to sand but much better as a
thickener, if our fairing
compound.
To make a
consistency similar to mayonnaise
1 gallon mixed epoxy to 1 gallon of filler
To make a consistency like peanut butter
1 gallon mixed epoxy to 2 gallons of
filler
Note: adding 1
gallon of microballoons/fairing compound to 1
gallon of epoxy will not yield 2 gallons of
putty. The filler will only add about 5% volume to
the mixed epoxy.
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27. I'm building
a canoe/kayak and want to see the wood through it,
which epoxy do
I use?
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Our 635 Thin Epoxy
Resin with our 3:1 Hardener has proven to be the
most popular System for this application. Our 4 and
6oz cloths
will wet out completely transparent when applied
properly. You may have noticed an amber tint to our
hardeners. When mixed with the resin and applied in
thin coats over wood they will dry
clear.
For better
long-term performance of the epoxy follow our
cleaning steps(see
answer #13)
and then apply a topcoat of UV protected
marine varnish.
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28. Can
I put polyester gelcoat or polyester resin
over epoxy?
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There are
conflicting opinions on this subject. We
DO NOT recommend applying a polyester gelcoat
over epoxy. The polyester based resins/gelcoats do
not offer great bonding strength to the epoxy.
Instead of gelcoat or polyester we recommend using
an epoxy or urethane based primer and paint to
finish your epoxy made part. Some industry leaders
for these type of finishes include Interlux, Pettit
and AwlGrip.
Our
colored
pigments
are ideal for colored parts. A ratio of one ounce
pigment to one quart resin is recommended. However,
for a more brilliant , sharper finish and far
superior UV protection, we would recommend
finishing your part using a quality
paint.
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29. How much
epoxy do do I need for saturating my
fiberglass?
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This is a very
common and complex question. Each type of
fiberglass saturates resin at different ratios.
Below is a brief summary of the saturation rates
for different reinforcements.
Chopped
Strand Mat: Approx.
2 pounds of resin for 1 pound of mat
Fiberglass
Woven Cloth:
Approx. 1 pound of resin for 1 pound of cloth
Biaxial
(1708,1208,1808): Approx.
1-1/2 pounds of resin for 1 pound of biaxial
Carbon
Fiber and Kevlar
Cloths:
Approx. 1 pound of resin for 1 pound of cloth
Your technique for application and experience will
determine the exact amount needed but the ratios
shown above provide a good starting point. For
reference, 1 gallon of epoxy weighs about 9
pounds.
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30. What is the
coverage of your epoxy when sealing
plywood?
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There will be
slight variations depending on how heavy it is
applied. Generally speaking, a gallon of epoxy will
yield 250 square feet. Therefore a typical 4'x8'
sheet of plywood would require about one
quart(32oz) to seal both sides.
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31. Do you sell
epoxy floor paint?
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No, we do not sell
epoxy floor paints/coatings
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32. Do you have
casting epoxy?
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We do not have any
epoxies considered castable. Our epoxies are
considered laminating epoxies, meant for
applications no greater than 1/4 inch in thickness.
If you are interested in attempting to cast with
our epoxies the primary concern is the heat
generated when the product is curing in a large
mass. Testing can be done by using our 635 thin
epoxy resin system along with purchasing a filler
called Alumina
Trihydrate.
You would mix the epoxy at a ratio of 1 pint of
mixed epoxy to 1 pound of Alumina Trihydrate.
Buying a slower curing hardener with the 635 epoxy
system will generate less heat exotherm and allow
slightly larger castings. We strongly recommend
buying the smallest kit possible for testing
purposes when using our products for other than
proscribed uses.
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33.
What can I use to clean my tools
while the epoxy is still
wet?
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Any of the
following solvents will work for cleaning
wet epoxy from your tools.
Acetone, Denatured Alcohol, Lacquer
Thinner, MEK Solvent.
We always recommend using disposable
brushes and rollers so that you don't need
to spend the time cleaning them. Epoxy is
very sticky and and it will cost more in
solvents to do the cleaning than you would
pay for a new brush or roller
cover.
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34. Can
I put in more hardener to speed up the dry
time?
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No, our
epoxy systems are formulated to react at
certain ratios of resin and hardener.
Deviation of only a few percent in your
mixing ratio can result in uncured
epoxy.
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35. Can
I work with the epoxy in cold
weather?
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Yes. Our
4:1 ratio Fast Hardener can be used down
to 45 degree, and the 3:1 Medium hardener
down to 55 degrees. Please be aware
however that the drying times will be
significantly longer at these lower
temperatures. Also, epoxy gets thicker as
your temperature gets colder and it can
make the saturating of fiberglass more
difficult. Lastly, you should always be
careful of using the epoxy outdoors in
cool conditions when you are expecting
rain. Despite working under cover, if it
rains overnight and the epoxy is still wet
you can get moisture contamination on the
surface of the epoxy and the surface will
never properly cure.
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36.
I need an epoxy to build a
thermonuclear support valve which is
subject to temperatures above 1000F and
come into contact with hydrochloric acid
and aromatic hydrocarbons.
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Are you
the guy who called last week? We are
certainly happy to hear about your idea
and attempt to make a recommendation.
While we are very familiar with the
epoxies that we sell, there are still many
untried uses and developmental projects
that we are not able to solve. Many of
these projects require testing by our
customers of several different products
which is why we package our epoxies in
small quantity kits for
purchase.
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Troubleshooting
FAQ
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1. My epoxy is
taking forever to dry. What went wrong?
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The reasons listed
here cover 99.9% of possible scenarios. One or more
of them should ring true to your situation.
- The ratio
for resin to hardener was not correct. This
is most commonly a function of poor or imprecise
measuring. Eyeballing the epoxy for your ratio
is not good enough. A graduated cup should
always be used for measuring.
- Improper
usage of the pumps. If you did not prime the
pumps properly it can throw off the ratio. An
indication of an improperly primed pump would be
when small amounts of air are expelled when
dispensing. It may also be a result of losing
count of the number of pump strokes.
- The resin
and hardener ratio was reversed. Odd as this
may sound, we've heard about this happening many
times. If your hardener is a 3:1 ratio, this
mean 3 parts of resin to 1 part of
hardener.
- The batch
was too small. Often when customers are
testing epoxy for the first time they will only
mix a few teaspoons of epoxy. We encourage
testing but when done in such small batches a
slight deviation in ratio is greatly magnified.
We therefore recommend that your test batches be
at least a few ounces, be accurately measured
and be thoroughly mixed.
- The resin
was applied too thin. Very thin applications
take longer to cure especially when applied
without fiberglass. In these cases patience is
required. If the epoxy still does not cure refer
to the other scenarios listed in this
section.
- Something
was mixed into the batch. We have heard of
people mixing strange things into their epoxy,
with water being the strangest. Always use
uncontaminated containers and clean stir sticks
when mixing the product.
- It just
wasn't mixed thoroughly. This is more likely
to occur if your epoxy is cold. Ideal mixing
temperature is about 75 to 80 degrees. If you
can't meet these temperatures just be certain
your are getting a complete mix.
- Low air
temperature increases dry time. Temperature
plays the biggest factor in the speed of drying.
Even when you are using our fastest hardener low
temperature always increases dry time. If the
resin can be kept between 75 and 80 degrees,
i.e. indoors, before mixing, a lower working
temperature is not a problem. But again patience
is required.
- The hardener
may need to be shaken. If your hardener has
not been used for a month or more, we recommend
shaking it at least 45 seconds to agitate any
settling that may have occurred. This is not
necessary for the resin.
- Epoxies cure
slower than polyesters. If you are used to
working with polyester resins, epoxy cure times
will seem to be dramatically longer. They are!
And unlike polyesters, there is nothing you can
do to speed up the process. Epoxy ratios must be
accurate and consistent.
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2. I mixed
up a quart of epoxy and before I could get it
out of the cup it started smoking and cured
immediately. What happened?
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The amount of time
you have before your resin begins to kick in the
container is referred to as Pot Life. {link to pot
life Q&A ). When determining the size of each
batch three factors should be considered.
First, the larger the mixture the shorter
the pot life. Second, the method of
application can play a significant role. Ideally,
after the epoxy is mixed you can pour it out of the
container and then begin to apply it. Once out of
the pot you will have a greater amount of time,
referred to as working time, before the epoxy
begins to cure. If this method is not possible,
smaller, multiple batches should be used.
Third, air temperature can effect pot life.
A 10 degree difference from one day to the next
will affect your pot life. Reduce your batch size
to accommodate the higher temperatures.
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3. I applied
epoxy outside under a covered awning but it rained
last night and now the surface is cloudy and
sticky. What do I do?
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Caution must be
taken when using epoxy in cool, humid conditions.
Despite working under cover, if it rains while the
epoxy is still wet, moisture contamination can
occur and the epoxy may never cure properly. If
this happens it will have to be removed by
mechanical means, either scraping and/or sanding
away the contaminated epoxy.
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4. I made a
part and it is too flexible. Why?
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Epoxies are
flexible by nature. If you are accustomed to
working with polyester resins you will definitely
notice that epoxy is more flexible. Cured epoxy
will become stiffer after a few days. If a fully
cured part is still too flexible it is most likely
that additional layers of reinforcements are
necessary. Generally, two layers are more than
twice as strong as one, etc. Only you can determine
your strength and performance requirements and this
can only be done by experimentation and testing.
Finally, the stiffness of a part can be a function
of the system(hardener) chosen. Our 2:1 hardener is
our most flexible post-cure system. Our 4:1
hardener is our most rigid system which is still
flexible enough to not be brittle. Our most popular
system, the 3:1 hardener combines the properties of
the 2:1 and the 4:1 systems.
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